Protesters shouting, I am Hamas.

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@kevcvs57 said
No I don’t anymore than people who dream of visiting another planet are actually astronauts
In the real world the only people slaughtering and starving a whole people are the Israelis.
If only hamas had more fire power, is that it kev bamboozle?

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@kellyjay said
Are these genocidal maniacs or peaceful protesters?
The casualty ratio is 30:1 so it is understandable that kids, raised with handfuls of participation trophies, who were born after 9/11, would not fully comprehend this multi generational conflict.

Americans are buying bombs that are being dropped on civilians on purpose. Voters should be asking questions.

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@wildgrass said
The casualty ratio is 30:1 so it is understandable that kids, raised with handfuls of participation trophies, who were born after 9/11, would not fully comprehend this multi generational conflict.

Americans are buying bombs that are being dropped on civilians on purpose. Voters should be asking questions.
My first questions are why did Hamas go into homes and kill families on Oct 7th? Why, was it necessary to rape, kill children, sweep the country side killing so many? What did those families do to deserve that?

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@zahlanzi said

where you perhaps referring to palestinian civilians? are you wondering why a group of people who lose their loved ones, have no clean water, no food and no homes are for the group that claims to protect them but definitely not the ones who did all those things i mentioned? Are you perhaps claiming palestinians should say thank you to Israel for all those bombs? Are you pe ...[text shortened]... nes, should throw their lives and attack hamas?

Are you still wondering why i call you a dumbass?
Were the Palestinians dancing and rejoicing in the streets after Hamas murdered, raped and kidnapped Jews?

Yes?

Well ... IT SERVES THEM RIGHT.

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@zahlanzi said
interesting interesting


tell me, should we kill the friends and neighbors and families of anyone who ever made a threat online?
"These rednecks from bumfukville threatened to kill everyone in New York and will never stop, let's bomb Alabama and every neighboring state to be sure they aren't a threat"
They did not just threaten. They actually raped, killed and kidnapped Israeli civilians.

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@kevcvs57 said
No I don’t anymore than people who dream of visiting another planet are actually astronauts
In the real world the only people slaughtering and starving a whole people are the Israelis.
Genocide .. some examples from recent history:

1.5 million Armenians died in the Armenian genocide.
6 million Jews died in the Holocaust.
800,000 Tutsis died in the Rwandan genocide.
2 million Bangladeshis in the Bangladeshi genocide.
300,000 in the East Timor genocide
500,000 in the Syrian genocide.
100,000 in the Papua New Guinea genocide.


Around 40,000 Gazans have died in the war Hamas started.
HAMAS STARTED THE WAR.
The aggressor and the instigator dont get to cry genocide.
Let them suck it up now.

Accusing Israel of engaging in genocide is simply a lie promoted by anti Semites lie.

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@rajk999 said
Genocide .. some examples from recent history:

1.5 million Armenians died in the Armenian genocide.
6 million Jews died in the Holocaust.
800,000 Tutsis died in the Rwandan genocide.
2 million Bangladeshis in the Bangladeshi genocide.
300,000 in the East Timor genocide
500,000 in the Syrian genocide.
100,000 in the Papua New Guinea genocide.


Around 40,000 Gazans ...[text shortened]... it up now.

Accusing Israel of engaging in genocide is simply a lie promoted by anti Semites lie.
Uhuh…

You do realise the drop between 6 million and 1.5 million is millions more than the drop between 1.5 million and 40.000?

The plane pilot who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima killed 80.000 people.
Jeffrey Dahmer killed 17.
Yet, who would you have for a sleep-over?

Numbers are numbers. It’s the goals behind them what make them what they are.

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@shavixmir said
I challenge you.
Show us yiur evidence from the quoran.

Oh, by the way, Allah = God… it’s the same bloody entity.
Here it is: It is not the same God. The God of Israel will never advise people to kill Jews.

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Does Al Quran call to kill infidels?

Most assuredly it does. The Taqiya answers given already are without foundation as they are quoting abrogated text and ignore history.

If the Quran and ahadith aren’t sufficient, look at 14 centuries of killing. Islam didn’t spread from out of the Arabian Peninsula and cover Morocco to Indonesia with peace and love. You could ask the (conservative estimate of) 80 million Hindus killed during the conquest of India or the cultures of North Africa (remember Carthage?) utterly destroyed with the spread of Islam, but of course, they’re gone. But it’s not just ancient history, it’s happening daily to Yazidi, Christian Nigerians and more, by people following the letter of the law as dictated by the Quran. As there are far too many surahs and ahadith instructing Muslims to kill unbelievers, here is a taste.

The penultimate surah chronologically is number 9, the most violent of the surahs.

9:5
"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Note that it says when the sacred months have passed. This means they were not under attack. If they were, the Quran commanded them to defend themselves so there would have been no waiting.

9:29
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

Note that this abrogates any remaining verse saying Christians and Jews are safe. Just to make sure that Jews and Christians are to be included in conquest, four verses later is:

9:33
“It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.”

A couple more samples from the second to last surah:

9:73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

9:123
"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Many, MANY more surah verses commanding violence, especially Medinan verses. Just one more Medinan verse for you, 66:9

O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

Let’s not forget ahadith.

Sahih Muslim 1:30
"The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Sahih Muslim 31:5917 describes Muhammad’s general, Ali, going off to fight but pausing and asking why these people are to be attacked. Muhammad’s response was because they are not Muslim.

“Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger”

Plenty more in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, but I leave you with what is probably the coldest and most callous utterance from Muhammad, quoted several times in both sets of the two most trusted (authentic) collections of ahadith. When informed that during an attack on unbelievers (attacked for nothing but being polytheists) that innocent women and children were killed, he responded “They are from them.”
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Nowhere in the qoran does it say tht Jews should be killed.

Indeed, Jews and Christians are believed to be of the same God.

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@kellyjay said
My first questions are why did Hamas go into homes and kill families on Oct 7th? Why, was it necessary to rape, kill children, sweep the country side killing so many? What did those families do to deserve that?
I don't know. It was not. Nothing.

What does that have to do with Israel bombing civilians?

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@kellyjay said
Bad things are happening, and people are dying. Genocide is a term used for when everyone is being killed for who they are, typically that is not thrown about when deaths are more in line with horrific collateral damage. Moreover, if both sets of combatants wanted to avoid those types of deaths, none of them would be hiding where when conflict finds them it is unavoidable.

One side is using genocide as a stated goal and it isn't Israel.
‘If both sides want to avoid”? Something that has been ongoing for 10,000 years?, looks like wasted typing to me.

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@wildgrass said
I don't know. It was not. Nothing.

What does that have to do with Israel bombing civilians?
To kill the killers and their supporters.
To finish Hamas
To remove Gaza.
To feel safe.

Any other stupid questions?

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@rajk999 said
To kill the killers and their supporters.
To finish Hamas
To remove Gaza.
To feel safe.

Any other stupid questions?
What do you call someone who kills a killer?
There will always be another Hamas.
Removing a geographic location? Seems odd.

Safety is an illusion mate.

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@wildgrass said
What do you call someone who kills a killer?
There will always be another Hamas.
Removing a geographic location? Seems odd.

Safety is an illusion mate.
A man of God, a promoter of justice, a righteous man ... pick one
Then the other Hamases will meet the same fate... they are all going to die
Remove the Arabs from Gaza who have been terrorising the Jews for the last 20 years.
For you. Jews feel safe when the Arabs who want to kill them are on the run.

Ask some more.

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@shavixmir said
Nowhere in the qoran does it say tht Jews should be killed.

Indeed, Jews and Christians are believed to be of the same God.
Muslims claim that in order to understand the Quran the Hadiths must also be consulted and read. Here is what it says:

It was reported that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) saying: ‘You (i.e. Muslims) will fight against the Jews and you will gain victory over them. The stones will (betray them) saying: ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ 1 This Hadith was reported by Al-Bukhari.