1. SubscriberWOLFE63
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    @no1marauder said
    Non sequitur.

    I asked you to specify "too much" for ....................................... what?

    Are you ever going to meaningfully respond to this and my other questions?
    Nope. He's content with just the smear stains of his argument. He enjoys watching them slide down his "wall".
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    @kazetnagorra said
    Huh, that's odd. I don't get any hits on Google for that quote.
    It's a joke. She may as well have

    She has said stupid things such as the reason that unemployment is so low is because people have to work two jobs to make ends meet.

    Naturally, this makes sense to you, right?
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    @no1marauder said
    Non sequitur.

    I asked you to specify "too much" for ....................................... what?

    Are you ever going to meaningfully respond to this and my other questions?
    When does the Republic become insolvent or is that even possible?

    Other countries have, why not the US?
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    @no1marauder said
    Shouldn't the $1.5 trillion tax cut signed by the Donald last year have had similar effects?
    I think because getting $500 (or less) just one time is not an indicator that anyhone can long-term afford to pay more.

    But beign promised a thousand dollars every month -- indefinitely -- puts it into the minds that everyone is making at least twelve grand a year, right.
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    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/11/trump-offers-socialism-for-the-rich-capitalism-for-everyone-else

    "Trump offers socialism for the rich, capitalism for everyone else.
    To a conservative mind, socialism is getting something for nothing.
    Yet this is what the president promotes for the wealthy."

    "Someone should alert Trump that America is now a hotbed of socialism.
    But it is socialism for the rich. Everyone else is treated to harsh capitalism.

    In the conservative mind, socialism means getting something for doing nothing.
    That pretty much describes the $21bn saved by the nation’s largest banks last year
    thanks to Trump’s tax cuts, some of which went into massive bonuses for bank executives.
    On the other hand, more than 4,000 lower-level bank employees got a big dose
    of harsh capitalism. They lost their jobs."

    "Around 60% of America’s wealth is now inherited. Many of today’s super-rich
    have never done a day’s work in their lives."

    "After a few generations of this, almost all of the nation’s wealth will be in the hands
    of a few thousand non-working families. To the conservative mind, the specter of
    socialism conjures up a society in which no one is held accountable, and no one
    has to work for what they receive. Yet that’s exactly the society Trump and the
    Republicans are promoting for the rich.

    Meanwhile, most Americans are subject to an increasingly harsh and arbitrary capitalism
    in which they’re working harder but getting nowhere, and have less security than ever."
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    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/11/trump-offers-socialism-for-the-rich-capitalism-for-everyone-else

    "Trump offers socialism for the rich, capitalism for everyone else.
    To a conservative mind, socialism is getting something for nothing.
    Yet this is what the president promotes for the wealthy."

    "Someone should alert Trump that America is now a hotb ...[text shortened]... capitalism
    in which they’re working harder but getting nowhere, and have less security than ever."
    Well in Venezuela they share socialism with the poor.

    Again, another "hotbed" of socialism.

    Maybe you want to move there.
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    It is very valid to criticize corporate welfare but I do understand why it happens... one would think, though, that they would write into the policies that the money cannot go to bonuses for executives.

    Of course, then what happens is they can move around the money and make it look different than it actually is...

    Yet, since these banks have such a large impact on the prosperity of the country, and their going under can have great devastation, we still have to tolerate this stuff -- at least, that is how I understand it. I could be wrong about this and we could maybe afford to allow these institutions to get hit a lot harder. I am starting to think that that is how we should do it.
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    @philokalia said
    It is very valid to criticize corporate welfare but I do understand why it happens... one would think, though, that they would write into the policies that the money cannot go to bonuses for executives.

    Of course, then what happens is they can move around the money and make it look different than it actually is...

    Yet, since these banks have such a large impa ...[text shortened]... these institutions to get hit a lot harder. I am starting to think that that is how we should do it.
    These large corporations were created by government. They are the bank of collectivist regimes because those in government don't produce anything or make any money. All they do is take the money of others.

    True socialists, like Venezuela and North Korea, take over corporations, but they know nothing about business so they go belly up pretty quick. Socialism in Europe bypasses this by creating these large "private" corporations that are like mini governments and simply have their claws in them to manipulate them as they need. Hitler was a master at this sort of socialism that we see today in Europe and the US.

    So a centralized private business that is in the model of the mini government is the best case scenario for a centralized government to control the populace. The bonus is, when these government created corporate structures causes any harm, then a "free market capitalism" can always be blamed.

    It's a system of zero accountably as one side blames government and the other side blames corporate America.
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    @whodey said
    Hitler was a master at this sort of socialism that we see today in Europe and the US.
    Stop lying.

    Hitler's government was fascist authoritarianism, and you know it.

    So stop lying.

    (The rest of your post was more lies, as usual, but this one was the whopper. Just stop lying.)
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    @suzianne said
    Stop lying.

    Hitler's government was fascist authoritarianism, and you know it.

    So stop lying.

    (The rest of your post was more lies, as usual, but this one was the whopper. Just stop lying.)
    Left whingers have got the authoritarianism aspect nailed suzi.
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    @wajoma said
    Left whingers have got the authoritarianism aspect nailed suzi.
    Great, another one who doesn't know what he's talking about.

    Don't encourage him.
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    @suzianne said
    Stop lying.

    Hitler's government was fascist authoritarianism, and you know it.

    So stop lying.

    (The rest of your post was more lies, as usual, but this one was the whopper. Just stop lying.)
    You lie awake at night trying to figure out how to take more power and money and influence from citizens while passing law after law and you don't think you are authoritarian?

    Do tell.

    The Green New Deal speaks volumes. Society is the problem, that is, their freedoms within society.

    The only freedoms you care about are killing the unborn, letting illegals into the US, and legalizing a variety of illegal drugs.
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    @whodey said
    Well in Venezuela they share socialism with the poor.

    Again, another "hotbed" of socialism.

    Maybe you want to move there.
    No one seems to want to talk about Norway. Hmmm
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    @mghrn55 said
    No one seems to want to talk about Norway. Hmmm
    A fine pavilion in EPCOT,
    has Norway.
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    @whodey said
    You lie awake at night trying to figure out how to take more power and money and influence from citizens while passing law after law and you don't think you are authoritarian?

    Do tell.

    The Green New Deal speaks volumes. Society is the problem, that is, their freedoms within society.

    The only freedoms you care about are killing the unborn, letting illegals into the US, and legalizing a variety of illegal drugs.
    The "freedom" to wreck the world through unlimited carbon and greenhouse gas emissions is no more valid than the "freedom" to run red lights.
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