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    Here’s some facts Stephen Fry had animated in the funniest debacle in recent British politics:

    https://youtu.be/UYonSZ8s3_o

    Here are some stats about the lies the tabloids and brexiteers have been peddling:

    https://www.google.nl/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/59ue7f/eu_lies_and_the_british_tabloids_who_told_them/

    Bloody amazing.
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    After about 30 seconds Fry mentions "the mythical EU dragon".

    This seems to be a popular way to ridicule those who are critical of the EU. "Oh, you probably see the EU as some kind of scary monster under your bed. A spooky ghost. An overlord conspiracy. Some kind of mythical dragon. Haha."

    That's one strike for mr. Fry. Shall now continue watching.
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    1:18.

    Ah, good ol' "Racism" has entered the video. No time was wasted 🙂
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    06 Dec '18 18:251 edit
    4:00.

    Lots of big numbers thrown around to make immigration sound more positive.

    It sort of reminds me of those people on the other side, who throw big numbers around to make immigration sound more negative.
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    @great-king-rat said
    1:18.

    Ah, good ol' "Racism" has entered the video. No time was wasted 🙂
    Are you suggesting parts of the campaign (like the posters shown, or the woman interviewed) weren’t racist?
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    Before, the media was painted quite negatively with regards to influencing the public perception of immigrants.

    Now, it's said that the media is regarded very untrustworthy by the public.

    So, is the media playing an important role, or not because the public does not trust the media?
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    @shavixmir said
    Are you suggesting parts of the campaign (like the posters shown, or the woman interviewed) weren’t racist?
    No, I'm not.

    But using the racism card so quickly is tiresome and counter-productive.

    There are legitimate concerns about the EU as well as immigration by ordinary citizens who don't give a rats ass about the colour of one's skin, that get minimalized by always going back to "racism". If only the pro-EU people could stop being so stubborn all the time.
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    @great-king-rat said
    No, I'm not.

    But using the racism card so quickly is tiresome and counter-productive.

    There are legitimate concerns about the EU as well as immigration by ordinary citizens who don't give a rats ass about the colour of one's skin, that get minimalized by always going back to "racism". If only the pro-EU people could stop being so stubborn all the time.
    Nothing to do with being pro-European.
    But Fry is correct: the brexit was sold on lies and fear-mongering.

    It’s like listening to trump. Lie after lie and his supporters deliberately ignoring and defending every lie and mistruth.

    One wonders what makes people do that.
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    @shavixmir said
    Here’s some facts Stephen Fry had animated in the funniest debacle in recent British politics:

    https://youtu.be/UYonSZ8s3_o

    Here are some stats about the lies the tabloids and brexiteers have been peddling:

    https://www.google.nl/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/59ue7f/eu_lies_and_the_british_tabloids_who_told_them/

    Bloody amazing.
    If a hard Brexit was offer today I’d take it over a next hundred years of Eutocracy, devolved national sovereignty and a continued destabilisation of the individual European economies. The economic pain is worth it imo. We want out!

    Mockery hasn’t got you Remoaners anywhere in 2½ years; surely you realise it won’t work now we are at the ‘vinegar strokes’ of the ecstasy of finally, possibly, maybe, leaving this massive corporate anti-democratic gravy train.
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    @shavixmir said
    Nothing to do with being pro-European.
    But Fry is correct: the brexit was sold on lies and fear-mongering.

    It’s like listening to trump. Lie after lie and his supporters deliberately ignoring and defending every lie and mistruth.

    One wonders what makes people do that.
    No, it’s the other way around. The fear of leaving is driving the remain agenda.

    I mean listen to Mark Carney ffs. What a joke.
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    You don’t think you’ve been lied to by the brexit campaign?
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    @divegeester said
    No, it’s the other way around. The fear of leaving is driving the remain agenda.

    I mean listen to Mark Carney ffs. What a joke.
    The point of the recent Bank of England report was to examine worst case scenarios. If they didn't sound scary he wouldn't have been doing his job. Besides, if you actually look at the report it says the banking system would survive a no deal Brexit with no transition period.
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    @shavixmir said
    You don’t think you’ve been lied to by the brexit campaign?
    Of course, you think there are some politicians who don’t lie?
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    @deepthought said
    The point of the recent Bank of England report was to examine worst case scenarios. If they didn't sound scary he wouldn't have been doing his job. Besides, if you actually look at the report it says the banking system would survive a no deal Brexit with no transition period.
    Perhaps he should have provided some “best case “ scenarios as many commentators have pointed out. It’s Carney once again politicising his personal preference instead of remaining neutral.

    The funny thing is the brexit community sees straight through his rhetoric and it has the opposite effect and entrenches people like myself even more. As you can see.

    When will the economic power brokers and big business shareholders, those with the most to lose in the UK severing itself from the tentacles of the EU, realise that Brexit is fundamentally fuelled by a desire for independence and if that comes at a cost then so be it. Freedom always comes at a cost, always.

    Edit; the problem is that 48% of the electorate don’t want that freedom, so we are a divided nation. 60-65% majority and this would all be over by now.
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    @divegeester said
    Perhaps he should have provided some “best case “ scenarios as many commentators have pointed out. It’s Carney once again politicising his personal preference instead of remaining neutral.

    The funny thing is the brexit community sees straight through his rhetoric and it has the opposite effect and entrenches people like myself even more. As you can see.

    When will ...[text shortened]... ’t want that freedom, so we are a divided nation. 60-65% majority and this would all be over by now.
    There is no reason for him to do that. Under a best case scenario the banking system wouldn't be under any stress.

    You've contradicted yourself in your own post. On the one hand you're claiming that Carney is biased because he is looking at the potential economic fallout - but then follow that with a statement about the fallout being worth the alleged freedom. Since the BoE report states that the banking system would survive it I think you're falling for the "project fear" rhetoric.
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